Janine Antoni, "Lick and Lather," 1993-94. Courtesy the artist and Luhring Augustine, New York.

For this month’s episode, still circling the question “what makes great art?”, Lauren Wetmore enters into a searching conversation with Irish curator and writer Francis McKee. McKee is the Director of the Centre for Contemporary Art Glasgow, teaches at the Glasgow School of Art, writes books, and curates in other capacities, as well. He speaks with Wetmore about maintaining a relationship to the real world, and to the peripheries, in art.

Momus: The Podcast is edited by Jacob Irish, features original music by Kyle McCrea, and assistant production from Mitra Shreeram. Our many thanks to Francis for his meditative contribution to this episode. Our thanks to EXPO Chicago and Momenta Biennale de l’image for their support.